»Footloosifer's Experiences with the Suicidally Depressed«
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Footloosifer has been in an out of the local psych wards, but has never been diagnosed as suicidal. He has never tried to hurt himself in any way, because when you grow up the child of a biologist in the North Florida woods and coast, you get knocked around a lot anyway, so you never really think about wanting to hurt yourself: you just want to avoid your next injury. Footloosifers problem is that he likes to swing his limbs or drive his car in the direction of people who piss him off, or,if no people are there, walls, tables, and chairs may get broken. Footloosifer SMASH! However, Footloosifer has met a lot of suicidally depressed people in the psych wards he's been in; and, by the way. if anyone from Tallahassee reads this, stay out of Path (Eastside, the public ward) because it is poorly run and most people there are being held involuntarily. Save your money and buy insurance that will get you into TMH Behavioral Health Center. The cost will be worth it. To return, Footloosifer has met people in those hospitals whom he thinks may be dead now, just because they were a) addicts who would go back to using as soon as they got out on the streets; b) consumers of psychiatric drugs who were noncompliant, i.e. not taking their meds and c) violent criminals. But life in the hospital is really kind of nice, if you're in a good hospital. There is usually a yard where you can go out and smoke cigarettes, the halls and rooms will be kept clean, the beds are all right, lots of social time, food fattening but good, etc. There will be group meetings scheduled with fun activities, and if you are being held involuntarily, you want to attend those meetings because they take attendance, and if you are absent, you may have to stay in the hospital longer. The worst part of the hospital is paranoia: paranoia about being imprisoned with a bunch of mentally ill people who are acting strangely, paranoia about the doctors, etc. If you act up to the point where they think you pose a danger, they may give you a shot of sedative, and if you are really acting up they may put you on an intravenous antipsychotic, and if you hit somebody, you may end up in the State Hospital, which has never happened to Footloosifer because he is an artist of violence. So if any of you ever have to go in, my advice is, try and keep up your insurance to get into a good one, and take the medication they give you. posted by footloosifer |
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| in-my-opinion.orgPoliticsPsychiatry and Anti-PsychiatryFootloosifer's Experiences with the Suicidally Depressed |
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I believe people that consider suicide are very young, selfish and have not been taught life skills. No matter how bad your life can get, there is always lots of others worse off that are living. The pain left behind is terrible. The family feels it for the rest of their lives. I think the teens in Japan are so self abosorbed that being lonely seems like a reasonble excuse to kill themselves, why don't they go and visit children with cancer, or volunteer at a hospital, start a dating club and stop feeling sorry for themselves. This society has become so warped and violent and greedy it also may be that we have all gotten away from the important things in life and have been bombarded with superficial advertising promising us happiness if we buy their product. What do you think? This is my first post  ›‹
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centhia: I believe people that consider suicide are very young, selfish and have not been taught life skills. Wrong. Ernest Hemingway not only considered suicide, he wrote constantly about it and finally blew the top of his head off when he was in his sixties. His father was a doctor, and he was one of the most capable, successful and adventurous personalities of the 20th century. So he was possibly selfish, but not at all young or unskilled when he killed himself. centhia: No matter how bad your life can get, there is always lots of others worse off that are living. The pain left behind is terrible. The family feels it for the rest of their lives. I think the teens in Japan are so self abosorbed that being lonely seems like a reasonble excuse to kill themselves, why don't they go and visit children with cancer, or volunteer at a hospital, start a dating club and stop feeling sorry for themselves. Depression is an illness that cannot always be cured by lifestyle changes. Sometimes, it can only be cured through therapy and/or medication. Often, people suffering from depression are too debilitated by their illness to do any of the things you list. They may feel sorry for themselves, but this almost always a symptom of the depression and not the cause. You are either ill-informed, misinformed, or altogether uninformed about suicide and depression if you think the way you write. Footloosifer is not a doctor, but he plays one on TV. posted by footloosifer |
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 footloosifer: Footloosifer has been in an out of the local psych wards Footloosifer talks about himself in the third person. footloosifer: Ernest Hemingway not only considered suicide, he wrote constantly about it and finally blew the top of his head off when he was in his sixties. Not quite: Nobel Prize-winning author Ernest Hemingway allowed himself to be talked into receiving 20 electroshock treatments. The result devastated him. As he told a friend, “Well, what is the sense of ruining my head and erasing my memory, which is my capital, and putting me out of business? It was a brilliant cure but we lost the patient...” Indeed we did. He committed suicide shortly afterwards. posted by knn |
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Footloosifer thinks KNN is a Scientology supporter, or he must be because he has quoted from one of their "church-sponsored organizations."  Footloosifer also notes that Julius Caesar and General Douglas MacArthur frequently referred to themselves in the third person. Not that they weren't crazy. Footloosifer is crazy too. If it weren't for psychiatric treatment, he would be just as evil as those two wackos. posted by footloosifer |
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I just googled Ernest Hemingway electroshock ♣. I didn't like the first link, so I took the second. posted by knn |
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footloosifer: Footloosifer also notes that Julius Caesar and General Douglas MacArthur frequently referred to themselves in the third person. Is that an excuse? That Caesar did something? footloosifer: Footloosifer is crazy too. If it weren't for psychiatric treatment, he would be just as evil as those two wackos. You should go to in-my-opinion.org… and explain what exactly your name foot+loose+luzifer means posted by knn |
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Footloosifer was aware that Hemingway was given ECT (electroconvulsive therapy). No one calls it electroshock anymore - except for antipsychiatry wackos - because this sounds terrifying. Footloosifer has never had electroshock and is not qualified to discuss its merits or disadvantages, nor is KNN. Footloosifer's grandfather suffered from untreated PTSD (post-traumatic stress disorder) from WWII, and once Footloosifer's father had to wrestle a gun out of Footloosifer's grandfather's hands. Other members of Footloosifer's family have suffered from depression. Footloosifer is not talking out of his ass here. He has read endlessly on the subject and experienced it firsthand. KNN moderates a forum and is not legally responsible for what forum readers may do in response to what they read therein. However, due to KNN's unseemly behavior in misrepresenting the facts on mental illness, Footloosifer must ask that KNN cancel his membership to this forum, or PM Footloosifer with instructions on how to do so. Lives are at stake! Support NAMI!  posted by footloosifer |
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footloosifer: Footloosifer has never had electroshock and is not qualified to discuss its merits or disadvantages, nor is KNN. What a nonsense is that? As if noone could discuss suicide, because noone has committed it. Or how about Iraqi torture? "We are no Iraqis nor did we ever torture, thus we cannot have any valid opinion"? footloosifer: No one calls it electroshock anymore... because this sounds terrifying Wait a sec, the brains didn't change, the electricity didn't change... but let's rename this procedure BECAUSE IT SOUNDS SO BAD. Typical psychiatric thinking  footloosifer: except for antipsychiatry wackos Yeah, not the wackos are wackos, but the ones who critisize psychiatric treatments.  footloosifer: due to KNN's unseemly behavior in misrepresenting the facts on mental illness, Footloosifer must ask that KNN cancel his membership to this forum Done. It's interesting how a psychiatric patient react, when someone states, that psychiatry may have bad effects. You are free, to go your website and discuss with other metally ill how to get all the psychiatric drugs you like. And you are free to pay double taxes, for each part of the bipolar disorder... 
You are mentally ill (as you claim yourself) and maybe the reason for it is in the inability to face counter-opinions. Psychiatry comes in sooo handy to deliver your feel-happy drugs... [CLICK HERE TO VIEW THIS PICTURE] posted by knn |
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I am entitled to my opinion. What ever you beleive is fine, but don't tell me I am wrong. It makes you sound arrogant, like you think you know everything. We were speaking of the Japan kids... not every idiot in history... come on lucifer or what ever your name is, if you just want to argue, why not go to  posted by centhia |
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centhia: Every time a drug company wants the patent on a new drug, they make something a disease. There is a saying: "Nobody is healthy, just wrongly examinded" centhia: I believe people that consider suicide are very young, selfish and have not been taught life skills. No matter how bad your life can get, there is always lots of others worse off that are living. Do you believe that there is ABSOLUTELY NO VALID reason to commit self-killing? posted by knn |
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I think he made a very cogent argument for psychiatric treatment of the mentally ill. centhia doesn't seem to want to debate, but would rather just lash out. Welcome to the real world, dear! Also, knn, I'm not sure you understand the depth of hate with which Scientology regards psychiatry, and posting a CCHR link like that is like posting a neo-Nazi link. Read on MSNBC.com what Scientologist Tom Cruise has to say about psychiatry:  He thinks it should be "outlawed". What a learned and scholarly man to make such a statement. That Tom Cruise, what a neuroscientist! Or should I say neuroscientologist? posted by sleuthslayer |
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sleuthslayer: Who is Footloosifer? After checking "Friends and Spammers"-function of this forum, footloosifer is either a friend of yours, or it's you yourself. I have read all your posts so far and you are going around and congratulate him. Moreover you, too, are talking about yourself in the third person. I wonder weather you and footloosifer are 2 parts of the same bipolar disorder 
posted by knn |
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 mymla: The very idea of taking _my_ life myself is so weird... Not to all those Japanese. Why is it so? Because they are lonely? Potential suicides always think that there is no way out and it's torture to live life out the way they think it's going to happen, so instead of going through a life full of disappointment and unhappiness why not just 'end it'? This thought-flow is invalid/wrong/*insert appropriate word* because (1) no matter what shit you are deep in, life is still unpredictable, there are so many ways it could turn out, better or worse (2) whatever the situation is, if you couldn't think of any way out except death, it's likely you could as well run away/desert. It is better to live with dishonour and try to reclaim a name rather than ending your life dishonoured, to make it more so. (3) death probably isn't worth ending your life yourself, especially if there is nothing afterwards. If there is, you're just going to have to start all over again. (4) (probably a weak argument) you didn't give yourself life, thus it is immoral to end it yourself, which would probably have bad consequences if there was an after-life, or otherwise would be a waste of an opportunity because you'd cease to exist. Looking up hara-kiri or seppuku at your poll IMO → How would you like to kill yourself? it appears the Japanese think it more honourable to die than to face a life of dishonour. When will they understand that there is more honour in admitting your defeat and starting anew with the pieces to build something on honest effort? Or do they think this is achieved in an after-life? 
posted by ryder |
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ryder: Looking up hara-kiri or seppuku at your poll
IMO → How would you like to kill yourself? it appears the Japanese think it more honourable to die than to face a life of dishonour. When will they understand that there is more honour in admitting your defeat and starting anew with the pieces to build something on honest effort? Or do they think this is achieved in an after-life? I may be wrong, but I don't think many Japanese currently believe that ritual suicide is an acceptable alternative to dishonor. That's like saying, "When will the Americans learn to stop dropping nuclear bombs on their enemies?" It's been done, but only infrequently, by a select few, and, most importantly, in the past. posted by holy_of_holies |
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