»Jesus was preaching intolerance«

MindSlave:

I don't think the Gospels are evidence of Christian "hate-mongering against the jews." They are critical of the Jews, but everyone in a free society is allowed to be critical of others, even if it means criticizing an entire culture. You might as well say that the American Declaration of Independence I mentioned is "hate-mongering against the British," or that any polemic in which a philosophy or culture is crtiticized is "hate-mongering" against that philosophy or culture.

Yes, Jesus had the right to criticise Jewish culture. The Jews were certainly doing it themselves.

(And btw, if Jesus was going to be critical of Jewish society during that time, I'd've thought he'd concentrate his criticism of the Jews on the Saducee faction instead of the Pharisees. The Pharisees were the liberal faction who fought against the corruption in the priesthood. How odd, then, that Jesus, who apparently despised the Jews for their corruption, should, logically, criticise the Pharisees more than the Saducees.)

And as for hate-mongering - I don't care what other people have used the phrase for, or what it might me stretched to mean. I'd say it means deliberate incitement of resentment, hate, and posibly violence against a group of people. And thus:

The Bible

"And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day." John 5:16

Does calling people sons of the devil count as hate-mongering to you?

The Bible

"Ye [the Jews] are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it." John 8:44

The Bible

"Many of them also which used curious arts brought their books together, and burned them before all men: and they counted the price of them, and found it fifty thousand pieces of silver." Acts, 19:19

The Bible

"Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things [homosexuality] are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them." Romans 1:32

"Stay away from all gentiles because they worship devils." Yup, that makes sense. Ties in nicely with the basic biblical message of "stone the devil-worshippers!"

The Bible

"But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils. Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils." Corinthians,10:20-21

MindSlave:

I don't mind when people write or say things that are critical of my country, the USA, even if they apply their criticism to the mass of Americans as a people.

Neither do I, but when these criticisms lead to bloody massacres, that's when I start to mind.

It is stated, clearly, several times in the the New Testament, that anyone who does not accept the teachings of Jesus is to be despised, avoided, damned, and cast into outer darkness where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Also:

The Bible

"He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned." Mark 16:16

Jesus says that "he who seeketh findeth." (Luke 11:9-10) But in Luke 13:23-28 he says that "many ... will seek to enter in, and shall not be able." Only a few will be saved; the majority will suffer eternally in hell where "there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

No thinking unless it agrees with Jesus! Where's the open-mindedness of that?

The Bible

"Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ" Corinthians 10:5

The Bible

Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

I can see that that might make it hard to have a debate with them.

There's a lot more, but my hand is getting tired.

My basic point here is: I don't know about you, but there's no way I'm ever going to agree with a religion that preaches this stuff.

posted by Sharaith

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