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Francesca Allan: The fact that some people are helped by psych drugs does not diminish how harmful psychiatry has been overall. If people willingly take SSRIs or atypical neuroleptics or mood stabilizers or anything else, you'll get no argument from 90% of the anti-psychiatry movement. It's the issue of forced drugging, forced electroshock and incarceration that we oppose. Yes, but the antipsychiatry movement claims as its intellectual leaders people like Thomas Szasz, who is a psychoanalyst with no clinical experience treating serious mental illnesses like schizophrenia, yet who states as one of his central principles that "mental illness is a myth." If we are to believe mental illness is a myth, why should those of us who show symptoms of it bother seeking treatment or encouraging other sufferers from mental illness to do the same without fear of stigma or abuse? Furthermore, if 90% of you have no argument with voluntary psychiatry, how can you call yourselves "anti-psychiatry?" Isn't this like me starting an "anti-war movement," and then saying that "90% of us have no problem if people willingly go kill other people in wars, but we just oppose the draft?" In that case, I should call my movement an "anti-draft movement" rather than an "anti-war movement." The only reasons I can see for you to continue to call yourselves an anti-psychiatry movement are: (1) You like the sound of "anti-psychiatry" because it gives you a convenient and widely-misperceived target (psychiatrists) for your rage, incitements, and accusations, such as those you, Francesca Allan, frequently post about the schizophrenia researcher E. Fuller Torrey; or (2) You are really against psychiatry in general, but claim not to oppose voluntary psychiatric treatment for whatever reason, whether it be to attract new followers among people who are unhappy with their treatment by psychiatrists or to assuage your own guilty consciences about the sick people you have hurt for your own political advantage. In my opinion, the only thing an "anti-psychiatry movement" will accomplish is worsening stigma about the mentally ill and discouraging people who desperately need psychiatric treatment from seeking it, leading to more preventable assaults, suicides, homicides, and recreational drug abuse by the untreated mentally ill. You can prattle on and on about how you don't oppose voluntary psychiatric treatment, but the subtext of your movement is that all psychiatry is harmful and worthless, as evidenced by the name of the movement itself. And if psychiatry were to just go away (it won't), the void would very quickly be filled by the younger field of mental study, psychoanalysis, which, unlike psychiatry, has no empirical foundation whatsoever and appears to help only people who are actually healthy but malingering (feigning mental illness for personal reasons like a need for attention.) Also, I wonder what Thomas Szasz would say about the personal experience I described here: IMO → "Hospitalized" by MindSlave He would certainly stand in opposition to my treatment in that hospital, as do I, but how would he explain the sudden and massive change in my thoughts and behavior that led to my hospitalization? If mental illness is a myth, why did I live twenty-four relatively normal years, then suddenly and very painfully flip out in the space of a few months? [CLICK HERE TO VIEW THIS PICTURE] posted by MindSlave |
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MindSlave: Yes, but the antipsychiatry movement claims as its intellectual leaders people like Thomas Szasz, who is a psychoanalyst with no clinical experience treating serious mental illnesses like schizophrenia, yet who states as one of his central principles that "mental illness is a myth." If we are to believe mental illness is a myth, why should those of us who show symptoms of it bother seeking treatment or encouraging other sufferers from mental illness to do the same without fear of stigma or abuse? I wouldn't call Szasz one of our intellectual leaders but his work is certainly very important to anti-psychiatry (or the Mad Movement, if you prefer) and he is considered one of the founders of the movement. Many anti-psychiatrists do believe in mental illness but don't agree with how it's treated. Your criticism of him here is unwarranted. By way of analogy, I have no experience treating children labelled with ADD or ADHD yet I still have very compelling evidence that these "illnesses" are fictional. Quote: Furthermore, if 90% of you have no argument with voluntary psychiatry, how can you call yourselves "anti-psychiatry?" Isn't this like me starting an "anti-war movement," and then saying that "90% of us have no problem if people willingly go kill other people in wars, but we just oppose the draft?" In that case, I should call my movement an "anti-draft movement" rather than an "anti-war movement." It's the issue of forced or coerced psych treatment that we're fighting. It's no concern of ours what people willing choose to do, so long as their consent is *informed* consent. In our battle against forced/coerced psychiatry, we do point out the appalling outcome rate for psych treatment but, again, if people willingly choose to go through that themselves, that's up to them. I do not believe that anybody has the right to make that choice for anybody else, however. Quote: The only reasons I can see for you to continue to call yourselves an anti-psychiatry movement are: (1) You like the sound of "anti-psychiatry" because it gives you a convenient and widely-misperceived target (psychiatrists) for your rage, incitements, and accusations, such as those you, Francesca Allan, frequently post about the schizophrenia researcher E. Fuller Torrey; or (2) You are really against psychiatry in general, but claim not to oppose voluntary psychiatric treatment for whatever reason, whether it be to attract new followers among people who are unhappy with their treatment by psychiatrists or to assuage your own guilty consciences about the sick people you have hurt for your own political advantage. This is an incorrect assumption. Our rage against what has been done to us in the name of "medicine" does drive our cause, no question about that. That rage is completely understandable, given the assaults we have suffered. And I will continue to tell the world the truth about the fascist quack we call E. Fuller Torrey. Quote: In my opinion, the only thing an "anti-psychiatry movement" will accomplish is worsening stigma about the mentally ill and discouraging people who desperately need psychiatric treatment from seeking it, leading to more preventable assaults, suicides, homicides, and recreational drug abuse by the untreated mentally ill. No, Holy. It's psychiatry and their sanitized but meaningless language such as "chemical imbalance" and "timely access to care" who stigmatize the mentally ill. And the myth of the dangerous lunatic is certainly a pervasive one but it's just not accurate. The mentally ill are amazingly non-violent, considering how the establishment assaults them. Quote: You can prattle on and on about how you don't oppose voluntary psychiatric treatment, but the subtext of your movement is that all psychiatry is harmful and worthless, as evidenced by the name of the movement itself. I don't oppose voluntary psych treatment. If people are fully informed of the risk vs. benefit of treatment and they make their choice without threats or physical force, then that's fine. There is no "subtext" to our movement. Quote: And if psychiatry were to just go away (it won't), the void would very quickly be filled by the younger field of mental study, psychoanalysis, which, unlike psychiatry, has no empirical foundation whatsoever and appears to help only people who are actually healthy but malingering (feigning mental illness for personal reasons like a need for attention.) No, I don't think so. When biomedical psychiatry crashes, I think it will be replaced by peer-support, inclusive communities, and fundamental human rights. There is plenty of empirical evidence that people do better with these basic (and inexpensive) solutions as opposed to with the biomedical psychiatry which merely sets people up for a lifetime of disability. Quote: Also, I wonder what Thomas Szasz would say about the personal experience I described here:
IMO → "Hospitalized" by MindSlave He would certainly stand in opposition to my treatment in that hospital, as do I, but how would he explain the sudden and massive change in my thoughts and behavior that led to my hospitalization? Well, Szasz is still alive and kicking so why don't you ask him yourself? Quote: If mental illness is a myth, why did I live twenty-four relatively normal years, then suddenly and very painfully flip out in the space of a few months? I have no idea, Holy. Nobody would deny that you went through a terrifying crisis. The question is: was it an "illness" as that term is used in medicine? I don't believe psychotic breaks are illnesses, mental or otherwise. I've been through it too, Holy. I have had two very serious breakdowns in my life. And, months afterwards, I was able to assess what it was in my life that made them happen. These are deeply personal conclusions and only you (maybe with the help of a counsellor) can help yourself reach them. posted by Francesca Allan |
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