»What do you think of when you hear the word: football?«
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 MindSlavery Florida: Echelon: I hate to break it to you boy...but football is called football all over the world. You know nothing. When I was in Italy, everyone called soccer " calcio ," which is neither identical to the word "football," nor does it translate to "football." "Football" is an English word. Not all countries are mainly English-speaking, and they all have their own words for the sport. Being that you are from Guatemala, you should have noticed this by now.  Don't be a smartass, you know what I meant. And speaking of Guatemala and Spanish speaking countries...it's a translated into a latinized version of the word "football"...spanish speaking countries call it "Fútbol". Italy is the only other country in the world besides the US that has a word in its own language to call "football" which is like you said "calcio". posted by Echelon |
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| in-my-opinion.orgEntertainment & SportsSports topics/newsWhat do you think of when you hear the word: football? |
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I read recently that the term football refers to a sport played on foot, and includes a ball. Coined by upperclass Brits who played their sports on horseback. If true American football, a derision of rugby has as much right to call itself football as soccer does. That said; american football should not be called FOOTball becasue it rarely uses the foot to kick the ball, and even when they do it is not that interesting. Soccer cannot lay claim to it either because it simply restricts the use of the hands, so it should be called "anything but your hands ball". The term football I think should be exclusively owned by my favorite sport: Aussie rules, or as Australians call it: "footy" Where scoring can only be achieved by use of the foot. So what do I think of when someone says football, I think Footy, and so should you. posted by Migueldo |
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I'm not sure that it matters which sport uses more of the foot than the other, it's just that Association Football got there first. As the USA and Australia never really played much football, I can understand why they would refer to their respective sports simply as football. What tends to be slightly less understandable is why they felt the need to invent some other name for the sport instead of just refering to it as Association Football. I've always refered to the American version as 'American Football' which I believe is it's true name, but have noticed some refer to it as 'Gridiron'. I'm curious how that name came about, I'd seriously not be surprised if it was a dig at the Americans for renaming our game soccer. How do Americans feel on this? Thing is, like it or not, Association Football is the most popular game on the planet. It has an established global following, the vast majority of which refer to it as Football. You can rename it 'Soccer', 'Charades', 'Ass Whacking', what ever you like, it's name will still be Football, and the other 99% of the countries in the world will just think you're being silly or stuborn. posted by SamM |
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Perhaps, but of the english speaking countries in the world, only one calls it football; England. Every other english speaking nation calls it soccer. But lets not get tied up on details, you call it football I call it soft. But then maybe I am just jaded because of the way Australia got kicked out of the world cup. posted by Migueldo |
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Ha ha. Good job we're not getting tied up in details because if we were then we should probably get them right. Wales, Scotland, Nothern Ireland, and republic of Ireland all call the game 'Football' You can argue that Wales, Scotland, and Nothern Ireland are all part of the UK, but Republic of Ireland is a country in it's own right. I'll concede that Canada probably call it 'Soccer' too. Not sure about New Zealand though. I know many West Indians all of whom call the game football. In most other lanuages it translates to 'Football'. It's pretty irrelevant that more other English speaking countries call it soccer, because unlike Aussie Rules and American Football it's truly global so not confined to one language. If you talk about the subject with people who don't have English as their first language, in English, they'll always say football. Many don't know what soccer means. It's definitely soft compared to Aussie Rules, that's looks brutal, but then us Brits play Rugby Football for our fix of brutality. Saying it's soft is like saying Cricket is soft...true but that's not the point of the game, it's more skill than strength. As for Australia's early exit from the competition, there's always next time! posted by SamM |
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Touche, you are correct on every count, forgive my indescretion, my ignornace in my last comment astounds me. Its just that I find your football a tad frustrating at times. Coming from an Aussie rules background where there is a lot of scoring it is frustrating seeing a team that is winning all day go down 1-0. Though I do not mean to draw a parrallel between this fact and the Italy Australia game. And while I appreciate that your game is a game of skill and not brutality, it is not the rules that make it soft, it is the way players dive for free kicks then act injured only to return to the field shortly after. I just cannot hold a whisker of respect for players that do this, I was embarassed by my team representing Australia in such a way and I dare say they did it less than most teams. These glaring negatives (IMO) spoil what is otherwise a great game. Maybe it is because the stakes are so high? FOr what ever reason I simply cannot give soccer the respect that so much of the world does. Many non-australians consider aussie rules to be a brtual game, but it is first and foremost a game of skill. The most valued skill in aussie rules is kicking, but it also makes use of a Human's most valuable assets; hands. When describing the sport to Canadiens (I am living in Vancouver) I tell them it is a balance between soccer and rugby. So while you use two different sports (soccer and rugby) to get your fix of skill and toughness, I have the advantage of seeing both at once. Now I do not wish to turn this into a Football Vs Football verbal stouch, I have witnessed a few cricket Vs Baseball ones that always seem to end up with an American claiming that they saved the world from WWII, and then some British guy calling an American stupid. Anyway, soccer is infinately more popular than aussie rules will ever be, so I face an uphill battle from the outset. I just needed an outlet to vent my frustration at the so called Beautiful game. Perhaps, if anyone has seen a game of aussie rules they can cast a critical eye over it to make me question my one eyed opinion of a sport I consider to be the true beautiful game. (sorry for the length, I get carried away sometimes) posted by Migueldo |
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Quote: I'm not sure that it matters which sport uses more of the foot than the other, it's just that Association Football got there first. Oh and sorry to post twice in succession, but Soccer was not first, the first codified football was rugby football. Also Australian rules football (1858) was codified before Soccer (1863). posted by Migueldo |
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Football (soccer) can be frustrating with the diving that goes on. In England we're quite lucky as it's not as acceptable here as it is in other countries (still goes on though). I know what you mean with players faking injury though. I'd be embarrased as a man to behave like some of them do, it needs to be sorted. I think my view of Aussie Rules comes from two scources. Firstly we don't show games on TV, we only get to see the punches and headbuts on 'Sports Most Brutal' type DVDs. The second is that I have a mate from Oz who's been here a few years now. He played Aussie Rules at a reasonable standard so we got him down our local rugby club. He's not the tallest of guys, but quite stocky. When he played, every challenge he made on an oppoment, the guy was getting stretchered off the pitch. To be fair though, he said himself the game has been cleaned up as far as the punching and all goes (not that I have some huge problem about it all). After participating in this discussion, and seeing the views on Aussie Rules and American Football, I'm definately going to make the effort to watch a bit of both as for people to be so passionate there must be something there. I'm into nearly all sports by the way. Don't mean to go on about history, but football was played in English universities WELL before 1850 with various different rules. I'll concede rugby football may have been formally codified first, but as the country who invented both, we've used the names we've used, which most other countries also use. Soccer has never been an official name, just a nick name coming from asSOCiation football I believe (from memory not research so I may be wrong but hey, it's late). IMHO, technically each variation of football (union, league, American, soccer etc.) doesn't really have any rights to the term 'football' over any other. It's just the name the majority of countries use for soccer is football. If in ten years American Football and Aussie Rules take off and go global, the rest of the world will be more likely to use other names for American football and Aussie rules than to adopt the term soccer for the global game, and football for one of the other two (IMHO!). I think you (Americans and Australians) will end up using different terms depending on your audience. I guess it's like calling Australian Dollars 'Dollars' in Australia, but 'Australian Dollars' in the USA, if that's what you do. posted by SamM |
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Agreed. Having travelled a bit of the world, where football holds so many different meanings I have gotten used to talking about my footy as Aussie rules. I reserve "football" for the person I am talking to, eg. if I am talking with an american and say "football' I mean American football. If I am talking to a Pom I will call soccer "football" out of respect and to prevent confusion. The only exception to this is rugby, which I always refer to as rugby and take exception to it being called football. This is a typical Melbourne response because of the whole AFL/League battle that Sydneysiders and Melbournians cannot decide upon. But it still remains that when I hear the word "Football" I do not think of anything other than sitting at the MCG watching my beloved Demons running around kicking goals. posted by Migueldo |
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Respect to that. Different cultures, different terms. I am English but have tried to explain reasons from as neutral a point of view as possible. World would be a boring place if everyone agreed on everything! Interesting point on one of your earlier quotes though. Migueldo: I read recently that the term football refers to a sport played on foot, and includes a ball. Coined by upperclass Brits who played their sports on horseback. If true American football, a derision of rugby has as much right to call itself football as soccer does. The Oxford English Dictionary defines a ball as sperical! I guess to me football will always mean Plymouth Argyle FC. But I'd never accuse them of playing a beautiful game though. posted by SamM |
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Spoken like a true football fan, at least you got Ollie! posted by Migueldo |
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