»Why does god need a spaceship?«
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 UC: He does'nt need a spaceship. He walked, at times, throughout the Israeili camp during the Exodus without bringing His Throne along.
So, it's not a spaceship that Ezekiel describes. But, His Holy Throne, more likely... He felt the need to bring it that time. Yeah, and because I walk in the park I have no car 
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 UC: So, it's not a spaceship that Ezekiel describes. But, His Holy Throne, more likely... He felt the need to bring it that time. UC, despite your conservative Christian bias, do you not see how the descriptions, if taken on their own, could indeed be a reference to a spacecraft? Assume two things, for a minute. First, that Ezekiel wasn't a nutcase, and wasn't inventing things, and wasn't hallucinating (too badly, at least). Second, that this isn't a book in the bible --- that it's just some biblically-contemporary writings (that it's just some Jewish guy's writing, not The Inspired Word Of Our Holy God, etc etc). In that context, it could indeed be a description of a spacecraft, couldn't it? posted by Tiefling |
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There's no possibility Ezekiel describes a spaceship. The four Living Creatures with wings are "not" part of a spaceship as we, in our day, could possibly describe a spaceship. But, They are probably part of His Throne. At least, in that description/instance, They seem to be. So, if in other parts of the Bible, God can walk on the Earth just like you and anybody else can, why would he need a spaceship to come to earth ? ...and no, knn, it does'nt mean He can't own some kind of vehicle like thing. But, a spaceship? Angels can stand on top of the sun. Nothing happens to them. He created them. So, why should traveling to and from for Him be any different ? Wherever that "to" or "from" or "when" might be. He pretty much goes and comes anywhere/anytime as He pretty much pleases. He is Omnipotent as well as Omnipresent. Omnipotent as all powerful. Omnipresent as being at the same time in the past, present as well as the future. Can't really fathom/understand that one, actually. Also, knn posted by UC |
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UC: He is Omnipotent as well as Omnipresent.
Omnipotent as all powerful. Omnipresent as being at the same time in the past, present as well as the future. Can't really fathom/understand that one, actually. What does this possibly have to do with god and a spaceship? Sounds more like the rantings of a madman to me. posted by Laraimaem |
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UC: There's no possibility Ezekiel describes a spaceship.
The four Living Creatures with wings are "not" part of a spaceship as we, in our day, could possibly describe a spaceship. Why not? Saying it doesn't make it true. You don't see that this could be the description of a spaceship? Ezekiel: I looked, and I saw a windstorm coming out of the north--an immense cloud with flashing lightning and surrounded by brilliant light. The center of the fire looked like glowing metal Also, you must've ignored where I asked that we assume Ezekiel isn't a book in the bible for a moment. That whole "the text of the bible is perfect in every way" thing really gets in the way of a lot of good discussion. posted by Tiefling |
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Well, that's just it . i can't pretend that reading to be anything else than it really is...One from The Bible. Infallible as it is. Now, if you wan't to discuss contemporary spaceship design, then, I would probably be able to "pretend" that it's "goat design" instead of "spaceship design". Even though I think there is a "wide stretch" between the two. Well, imho, there is an enormously "large stretch of the imagination" to compare God's Throne to a spaceship. As there is between a contemporary book on goat design and The Holy Bible and one of I'ts descriptions of God's Throne. At least for me, anyways. UC posted by UC |
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UC: Well, that's just it . i can't pretend that reading to be anything else than it really is Then, sir, you clearly need to improve your analytical skills before you go trying to defend your point of view! posted by Tiefling |
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Laraimaem God's Omipotence and Omnipresence has a lot to do with what I'm trying to say. He simply "does not need" a spaceship to come to Earth. You and knn and tiefling "might very well" have to be spam in a can (spaceship) to travel to another planet. But, not God. tiefling Analytical skills. How? Where? Not sure I know what you are trying to say. UC posted by UC |
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UC: Analytical skills. How? Where? Not sure I know what you are trying to say. I, as a non-Christian, am for the moment making the assumption, for the sake of the discussion, that Ezekiel wasn't hallucinating / wasn't a nutcase, and that there is some validity to what he saw. Clearly, this is a big assumption for me, but if I don't make this assumption, then my only contribution to this discussion would be to say, "Ezekiel was hallucinating or was a nutcase; now everyone shut up." You, as a Christian, need to make the assumption, for the sake of the discussion, that Ezekiel's writings were not The Inspired Word Of God, and that his visions might have been something tangible. This, too, is a big assumption for you, but if you don't make this assumption, your only contribution to the discussion is to say, "Nope, you're all wrong, Ezekiel saw God's throne; now everyone shut up." posted by Tiefling |
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UC: Well, imho, there is an enormously "large stretch of the imagination" to compare God's Throne to a spaceship. Excuse me, but it flies, shines metally, makes a lot of noise and takes Hezekiel on a journey through the air. I can't imagine any better description of a spaceship/copter from a man several thousand years ago. It actually is a "large stretch of the imagination" to claim that it is GOD than it is to claim that this is a vehicle. posted by knn |
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UC: There's no possibility Ezekiel describes a spaceship. Why? Oh, because it's T-H-E B-I-B-L-E UC: The four Living Creatures with wings are "not" part of a spaceship as we, in our day, could possibly describe a spaceship. OK, to your defense I must say that this "4 creature" thing is basically the only unexplained data. I personally talked with Erich von Däniken ♣ and I asked him about these four creatures. He said, that maybe it's was something like a painting on the vehicle for fun, like they painted faces on the airplane (airplane "nose art" ♣). Or maybe some flags. [CLICK HERE TO VIEW THIS PICTURE] posted by knn |
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UC: He pretty much goes and comes anywhere/anytime as He pretty much pleases.
He is Omnipotent as well as Omnipresent. Omnipotent as all powerful. Welcome to this thread, which is named "Why does god need a spaceship". And you still didn't answer, because Ezekiel describes god in a vehicle, yet you claim that he doesn't. posted by knn |
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knn: I personally talked with Erich von Däniken ♣ and I asked him about these four creatures.
He said, that maybe it's was something like a painting on the vehicle for fun, like they painted faces on the airplane (airplane "nose art" ♣). Or maybe some flags. 
[CLICK HERE TO VIEW THIS PICTURE] [CLICK HERE TO VIEW THIS PICTURE] posted by arkhamite |
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arkhamite: Huh? Where this outburst of fun come from suddenly? posted by knn |
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knn: arkhamite: Huh? Where this outburst come from suddenly? Dunno something just snapped when I read the words "von daniken"... posted by arkhamite |
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