»Smacking children law amended«
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 Seems us brits are being pushed one step closer to letting children do whatever the hell they like, nice one Blair, as if they ain't bad enough as it is!  posted by Crossfade |
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| in-my-opinion.orgPoliticsPolitics and Crime (Assorted topics)Smacking children law amended |
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 Quote: Under Lord Lester's amendment, parents would still be able to smack their children if they don't harm them physically or mentally.
They would no longer have the protection of "reasonable chastisement", which was introduced in 1860. Come on, that's not bad. posted by knn |
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 getting spanked in the principals office...if you did that now? jail time...i still think it's a good idea though.. posted by The ONEder Man |
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Quote: Come on, that's not bad. ..it would be fine but Britain is under this stupid paranoid/politicaly correct grip and pretty much farting at a child in public is considered assault. Children have started to realise this and pretty much run amock as they please knowing an 'adult' cant lay a finger on them. When i was little if i did wrong the person who i wronged gave me a good hiding and then i got marched to my parents who gave me another good hiding. It teaches you respect by fearing punishment. What the hell do kids have to fear nowdays? nothing! posted by Crossfade |
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Quote: It teaches you respect by fearing punishment. What the hell do kids have to fear nowdays Oh, does it? Or does it only teach you fear (= fake respect) by degradation? posted by knn |
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If a child is fearfull all the time then there is something wrong with the family unit, to be honest if a child is being abused then this law changes nothing, they will still be abused physicaly/mentaly. Children growing up in none abusive enviroments should only fear punishment because it is rare, they don't become acustomed to it and therefore it is something to fear 'only' if they do wrong. Take punishment away from a youngster and see what happens, how do they learn respect if they don't fear something? posted by Crossfade |
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OK, I shut up since I don't have children old enough to get smacked posted by knn |
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 knn: Quote: Under Lord Lester's amendment, parents would still be able to smack their children if they don't harm them physically or mentally. Come on, that's not bad. The problem here is that it's yet another woolly law. There's no clear definitions and once again it's up to the judgement of whoever to decide what is physically/mentally harmful. I had many a caning when I was young and in each case the person doing this was convinced (at least they said they were  ) that it was in my best interest.
This kind of legislation just leads the system wide open to later abuse - 20 years down the line, they'll be suing somebody or other for their life being shit, because they were once rapped across the knuckles with a ruler. And who will say they're wrong? Mankind has been raising kids for thousands of years and only now do we need this kind of law - and only now do the kids get away with murder - literally posted by Marl64 |
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 Quote: There's no clear definitions and once again it's up to the judgement of whoever to decide what is physically/mentally harmful. Cannot really judge by the article what the law exactly says, but reading it I had the same idea - that definitions are pretty vague and with some desire you can fit a lot of things in there. Quote: any parent smacking a child and causing harm, such as bruising, scratching or reddening of the skin, could be prosecuted. Even a slight smack done by a father will produce a reddenning effect I guess  so what, sue the father? By the way, smacking is rarely done in public; who is going to sue the parents? Children themselves or?Quote: Take punishment away from a youngster and see what happens, how do they learn respect if they don't fear something? The respect that is learnt that way results exactly in what adults don't like in youngsters, arrogance for example. If they learn to respect only phisical force, nothing else will make them listen. I am not pro this law 100% - it might be abused. But there is a point in it... Quote: Mankind has been raising kids for thousands of years and only now do we need this kind of law True, but mankind is changing and ways of raising children change too. The point is, force is a bad and ineffective way of teaching something - otherwise, with the amount of beating during the centuries, we'd all be perfect law-abiding citisens, and we are not. Though if there is time to change the ways of bringing up children, it can hardly be done by implementing new laws of this kind. Whatever they say about not wanting to interfere with a family's life, this law does. I think there should be other ways of making people believe that less force should be used. posted by mymla |
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 I like Knn don't have any children either so I don't know if i should be commenting on this. But I don't think smacking children dos any good. if anything it only do's harm. Children should feel secure around their parents. Not be afraid of being smacked if they do something wrong Violence (Uff, bad spelling going on in da house) Never solves any problems 
I myself was smacked for doing something wrong (And i not feeling sad about it so don't feel sorry for me or anything) But that never did any good. Also, Doctor Phil says that Smacking children is bad. And nobody can argue with Dr. Phil 
posted by Pawnatron |
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Quote: I like Knn don't have any children either I never said I have no children. Quote: Mankind has been raising kids for thousands of years and only now do we need this kind of law Mankind is not very famous to have a peaceful past. Smacked kids = smacking adults? posted by knn |
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..Beating kids to keep them under control and in perpetual fear, that is abuse. Smacking is a way to teach a child that something is bad, before language is an option. And I'm not talking about beating seven bells of shit out of a kid either. A Short sharp tap (on the hand or leg) accompanied by "no" or "Naughty" or "bad" to register a connection between the act, discomfort and a word which will eventually replace the short burst of pain. If you have to smack a child every time they are bad at an age when they are old enough to be told something is wrong, you've already failed and this is when the abuse cycle starts. Some might not agree with this, that's their right. But I've seen kids that have been brought up in an atmosphere of love and reward rather than punishment and blame - parents who simply ignore a misbehaving kid and then show them love when they stop. 
This is all messed up, the kid associates the reward with the misbehaving. Ignoring does nothing. Consequently these kids are real little bastards, they play up for attention and show no respect for their parents. posted by Marl64 |
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There is a difference between physical discipline and abuse. I believe kids need a little discipline along with stern warnings in order to understand what they're doing wont be accepted. Otherwise they will run all over the parents and everyone else. Unless, as in my case, I just didn't like having my parents angry at me, that was my reason for not back-talking. But there was also the small thought that if I did, my dad would be waiting. posted by NeoProgram |
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 Well parents are becoming more abusive because of the fucked up environments they live in, and the government would rather work around this rather then fix the main problem for which everything else stems from. The only time I've ever been smacked, was after a little tanty I had, I've never had a little tanty since.
posted by hungarian kid |
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Quote: would rather work around this rather then fix the main problem for which everything else stems from Well... [CLICK HERE TO VIEW THIS PICTURE] posted by knn |
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