»Can god change the past?«
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 I speak generally about gods. You speak about a god from the bible mythology. posted by knn |
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| in-my-opinion.orgReligion and Mysteries, from worship to werewolvesReligious & Philosophical TopicsCan god change the past? |
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 im never gonna win with you am i? oh well it was fun while it lasted posted by Agent Zero |
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 Look, any God that can be described as omniscient and omnipotent is the one we are caring about here right? Omniscient - has knowledge of everything, without necessarily actually experiencing it. Omnipotent - can do anything and therefore CAN have knowledge of an experience never felt by itself. Therefore God CAN experience human life and suffering without becoming man. Ignoring this, Christians believe that God came down and took all our experiences. He did not come down as a king, but as a poor carpenter's son. The Christian God is meant to be special because he shares in our experiences and is even able to say, like we sometimes do (in different words), "my god, why have you forsaken me" posted by fatpie42 |
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Quote: Christians believe that God came down and took all our experiences Only some Christian believe this. Others believe that Jesus was just something as prophet, a son of a god. Quote: Omnipotent - can do anything and therefore CAN have knowledge of an experience never felt by itself. I think you intermix here omniscient (knowledge) and omnipotent (can do anything). posted by knn |
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ALL Christians believe that Jesus was God. Only muslims believe that he was just a prophet. The point in using omnipotent is that God can do the the seemingly impossible - like knowledge of things not experienced. Would we be capable of having knowledge of things we have not experienced - no. You can't have a complete understanding of an experience you haven't felt. But God can do that so long as he can do ANYTHING. posted by fatpie42 |
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Quote: ALL Christians believe that Jesus was God. Only muslims believe that he was just a prophet. Definitely not. Jehova's witnesses for example don't believe that. Quote: You can't have a complete understanding of an experience you haven't felt. But God can do that so long as he can do ANYTHING. You are still intermixing "knowing" and "doing". posted by knn |
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I'm not mixing knowing and doing - I'm mixing understanding and doing. Understanding is an action in itself so I do not see this as a problem. I was of the impression that Jehovah's Witnesses did not believe in Christ and therefore are not Christians. posted by fatpie42 |
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Quote: Understanding is an action in itself so I do not see this as a problem. Since when is understanding (e.g. understanding math) an action? posted by knn |
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knnknn: Quote: Understanding is an action in itself so I do not see this as a problem. Since when is understanding (e.g. understanding math) an action? So you understand maths without any kind of action or practice? It's just automatic for you is it? Somehow I doubt that... posted by fatpie42 |
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Quote: So you understand maths without any kind of action or practice We are talking about gods, and I am telling that _real_ understanding needs experience (= doing), to which you reply that god knows without doing and then that understanding is an action. I am confused. Quote: I was of the impression that Jehovah's Witnesses did not believe in Christ and therefore are not Christians. What do you mean by "Don't believe in Christ"? posted by knn |
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You told me that I was confusing knowing and doing. I pointed out that knowing was another form of doing. God can know anything, can understand anything in any way he wants to. God can know every experience eternally (outside of time). I didn't want to bring in the silly doing/knowing category shit. God can understand an experience without actively participating in it because he can do anything. End of story. I thought that Jehovah's witnesses did not recognise Jesus as God (traditional Christian), Messiah or Prophet (Muslims call Jesus both of these last two but deny that the Messiah needs to be God Himself). posted by fatpie42 |
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Quote: I thought that Jehovah's witnesses did not recognise Jesus as God (traditional Christian), Messiah or Prophet I wonder why people think that. Jehova's witnesses believe in the new testament and everything that is written there. And since the word trinity isn't even slightly mentioned they don't believe that Jesus and God were one. Quote: God can understand an experience without actively participating in it because he can do anything In my opinion "do" isn't "knows" and "potential knowledge" isn't "experienced". posted by knn |
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 All the talks about God and Jesus, what about the good old Holy Spirit? I mean it must hold some kind of state of mind/intelligence. posted by hungarian kid |
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Heh, I guess my post was fairly useless then? WAIT, theres that other topic... The fact is, alot of reiligions are almost exactly the same, but I think they were made for just some either weird or obvious reason. E.g. I reckon Anglicanism was made just so the king could get a root.  posted by hungarian kid |
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Henry VIII was a Catholic. He just wanted to get divorced without having to go through the pope (because he'd already asked the pope and had been told 'no'). It was only later on that the Anglican Church became a monarchy-backed Protestant Church. posted by fatpie42 |
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