»Can god change the past?«
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 You kinda of proved my point, he got rid of his wife so he could have a root with out commiting the sin of adultery. 
But seriously, can someone give me a link to info on the morman religion cus I've heard some pretty whacky stuff and don't know what to believe about it any more. Like what's the link to that site all about the different religions, belief.org or something... (I'm crap with remembering links and stuff) posted by hungarian kid |
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| in-my-opinion.orgReligion and Mysteries, from worship to werewolvesReligious & Philosophical TopicsCan god change the past? |
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 Well regardless as to whether Jehova's Witnesses are Christians by their definition or by anyone else's definition... Christians claim that God is omnipotent and "outside of time." If that's the case, then the past and the future would all be the same to God. So whenever God changes anything (such as, creating the world, or sending a burning bush to Moses), he is changing the past/present/future. They should all be the same point to him. In other words, yes, God changes the past all the time. posted by Tiefling |
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  I don't know if this is any help? It's the closest thing to mormonism on this site... posted by fatpie42 |
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 Shoot...I should have looked at this thread a while ago...but I guess now it's unnecessary, because to every post knn said, fatpie said exactly what I wanted to say in reply...haha ...good going fatpie!  posted by nocturnal_anonymous |
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Tiefling: Well regardless as to whether Jehova's Witnesses are Christians by their definition or by anyone else's definition...
Christians claim that God is omnipotent and "outside of time." If that's the case, then the past and the future would all be the same to God. So whenever God changes anything (such as, creating the world, or sending a burning bush to Moses), he is changing the past/present/future. They should all be the same point to him. In other words, yes, God changes the past all the time. wow...that's an interesting thought...never thought from that point of perspective before.. posted by nocturnal_anonymous |
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nocturnal_anonymous: wow...that's an interesting thought...never thought from that point of perspective before.. The concept of eternity is a pretty mind boggling idea. Something to really ponder when chilled out with some weed... 
posted by fatpie42 |
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 Quote: But seriously, can someone give me a link to info on the morman religion  posted by knn |
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Quote: Something to really ponder when chilled out with some weed... are you suggesting that i smoke weed in order to sort out thoughts of eternity? 
posted by nocturnal_anonymous |
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Well, there's a problem with placing God outside of time. For example, how do you answer this --- Did God decide to create the Universe before or after the Universe was created? posted by Tiefling |
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why would they need to have created the universe at a certain point in time? Surely the universe need not even HAVE a beginning for an eternal creator? Who's to say that nothing existed before the big bang - just because we cannot KNOW what existed before that time? posted by fatpie42 |
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If the universe does not have a beginning, then it has always existed. If the universe has always existed, then there was no point at which it was created. In that case, God could not have created it. That's an interesting argument, but potentially outside the scope of what all religions believe. But assuming that God created the universe, and that God exists outside of time... then did God decide to create the universe before or after the universe was created? If time does not apply to God, then God's actions cannot be said to occur in any logically sequential fashion. God's decision to create the universe could not have occurred either before or after the actual creation, nor at the same time. posted by Tiefling |
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between "created" and "designed". God is often taken as the reason why there is something rather than nothing. Why there is order rather than chaos. There could never have been anything but a void, but God created/designed the universe. Does he need to have done this at a certain time? Don't put the cart for a horse. It isn't enough to say: 'there has always been a universe so it needs no creator'. It is more like: there has always been a universe because an eternal God brought it into being. posted by fatpie42 |
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But the universe exists within time. If it has always existed, then it has never had a beginning within time, and thus could never have been created within time. posted by Tiefling |
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Quote: If it has always existed, then it has never had a beginning within time Maybe the question is wrong, since TIME maybe just an assumption that if something is changed in the UNIVERSE that it 1 state is BEFORE the other. So the universe was, is, will be always NOW, but we just assume that movements have a "timely direction". posted by knn |
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Expansion of the universe could just be God working furiously to fill infinite. With all the contradictions, we could have just been made by accident as a contradiction to angels. They're holy, and we are not. So God sends messengers to stop a civilisation going to hell. posted by hungarian kid |
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