»What means 'Separation of religion and state' to you?«
| in-my-opinion.orgPoliticsBush, Kerry, IraqWhat means 'Separation of religion and state' to you? |
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 I believe that religious doctrines should not be used to decide US Policy. For example, Gay marriage. Because the bible says it's wrong is not a valid argument against legally allowing gay marriages. It's an argument against catholic churches performing them, not the gov't. Laws should be based upon the effects they will have on the country, the citizens, and on the world. I would also like to mention that the bible is not the word of god, it is the word of the people who wrote it, and if those people just happened to be homophobes, then they are dictating US policy because of some bias. posted by CustomerDisservice |
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 its a difficult point to argue in western societies where there is a hugely mixed number of races and beliefs then 2 religious doctrine should not hold sway over the rest but then on the flip side...single(or almost single)religion countries haven't exactly been the best examples of working for the peoples benefit..ie taliban run afghanistan so both points prove that religion should not be used in policy making posted by the anomaly |
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 CustomerDisservice: I believe that religious doctrines should not be used to decide US Policy. For example, Gay marriage. Because the bible says it's wrong is not a valid argument against legally allowing gay marriages. It's an argument against catholic churches performing them, not the gov't. Laws should be based upon the effects they will have on the country, the citizens, and on the world.
I would also like to mention that the bible is not the word of god, it is the word of the people who wrote it, and if those people just happened to be homophobes, then they are dictating US policy because of some bias. Wholeheartedly agree with you there. 
On another point, it breaks all the laws of freedom to excercise whatever religion you want. It opresses people. posted by Echelon |
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 Quote: I believe that religious doctrines should not be used to decide US Policy I really believe that many voters will vote for Bush for such personal reasons. "Bush is against abortion therefore I vote for him". Interesting that such highly private matters (abortions, gay marriages) are THE key to elections. posted by knn |
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 im kinda riding the fence on this one posted by Agent Zero |
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Hitler's Germany amalgamated state with church. Soldiers of the vermacht wore belt buckles inscribed with the following: "Gott mit uns" (God is with us). His troops were often sprinkled with holy water by the priests. It was a real Christian country whose citizens were indoctrinated by both state and church to blindly follow all authority figures, political and ecclesiastical. Hitler, like some of today's politicians and preachers, politicized "family values." He liked corporal punishment in home and in school. Jesus prayers became mandatory in all schools under his administration. While abortion was illegal in pre-Hitler Germany he took it to new depths of enforcement, requiring all doctors to report to the government the circumstances of all miscarriages. He openly despised homosexuality and criminalized it. If past is prologue, we know what to expect if liberty becomes license. posted by Echelon |
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 Quote: belt buckles inscribed with the following: "Gott mit uns" (God is with us). Yeah, but what god? Quote: It was a real Christian country whose citizens were indoctrinated by both state and church to blindly follow all authority figures Hitler actually started to try to destroy the Christian religion but got so much backdraft that he stopped. I tell you what I think the real misery is: Hitler is not excommunicated until now.  Quote: Hitler, like some of today's politicians and preachers, politicized "family values." But based not on religion. Quote: Jesus prayers became mandatory in all schools under his administration. That was a trick. That way he could argue that jews (jews!) killed Jesus. Quote: He openly despised homosexuality and criminalized it. If past is prologue, we know what to expect if liberty becomes license. Come on, this despise was also not based on religion. Even if they argumented that way. They killed a lot of kinds of people. The east-European (Polish, Chech etc) were killed because they were "inferior", artists because they were degenerated. Nothing was really based on religion. On the contrary: It was based on science: Genetics, skull form, familiy trees, psychiatry etc. Not on religion. If Nazis had a religion then it was the old-Germanic one. [CLICK HERE TO VIEW THIS PICTURE] [CLICK HERE TO VIEW THIS PICTURE] posted by knn |
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hitler tried to destroy chritianity as he believed it to be an evolution of the jewish faith he saw christianity as reflected the values of an inferior race nad as such set up what was known as the "the reich church" he then made it compulsory for all hitler youth to attend his new church movement which was borne out of an extremist protestant religion he failed and the rest is history posted by the anomaly |
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Hitler was not so destructive regarding Christianity as one may think. The point was, he thought he himself is meant when the bible wrote something about the "Tausandjahrige Reich" (= the reign that will last for 1000 years). He borrowed many symbolism from religions (the svastika for example). posted by knn |
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 Quote: That religion should not influence politics I'd go a step further. No religion in politics. Period It sickens me the way Bush bleats on about doing Gods work and all that. As if 
If teachers aren't allowed to talk about god (or any religion) in schools then politicians should not be allowed to talk about god (or any religion) in politics. Seems fair to me. Even "God Bless {insert country here}" has to go - It might sound patriotic, but it shows religious prejudice Quote: That politics should not influence religious groups State must influence Religion. Though religion should not influnce policies and laws of state, it is still subject to them. Otherwise we'll have nutters sacrificing virgins every weekend on "Religious grounds". posted by Marl64 |
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Quote: It sickens me the way Bush bleats on about doing Gods work and all that. If one thinks about that one step further then the US must be really happy, that no arab country has enough military power to attack the US. Because the same speeches of "Axis of evil" (= US, UK, Australia) and of "May god bless Arabia" and "I asked god and he told me..." could lead to one or two mushroom clouds. Imagine Arabian soldiers in the streets of Washington, surrounding the Capitol. [CLICK HERE TO VIEW THIS PICTURE] posted by knn |
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 so i guess this poll has turned into a question of "why do you support or not seperation of religion and state?" . well, i do support it. the intermingling of religion and state in history has not exactly been great. besides, people are just going to rebel against it (if there were rules). i don't really like the idea of forcing people to a certain religion. it just shouts backfire all over it. however...bush's christian-isms, im ok with that. little things. just his beliefs i guess. it's just that his beliefs involve religion, and that hits the wrong chord with some. posted by sangu |
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